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 Discussion Point 21, Mutz begins to put it all together
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Originally Posted by Karen 4th October 2006


In the chapter "Out" Mutz and his men come across many things, including the severed hands, the horse with the flesh missing. As Mutz begins to put the scenario together, he suggests someone or some people were watching. And then in the chapter "The Avakhi" Mutz meets the albino and hears his truth about Samarin.

When did you put the mystery together?

What was your clue?





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I realized that Samarin and the Mochian were one in the same after reading the story related by the albinio to Muttz. The enty regarding the hallucinogenic mushrooms ingested by the albinio-left me uncertain but after the albinio recognized Samarin from Mutz's sketch I became firmly convinced. Anne r





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That clinched it for me, too. I think I really started suspecting Samarin in the chapter "Causes". He's explaining to Anna on p. 259 about being dedicated to a cause. Especially the line "What looks like an act of evil to a single person is the people's act of love to its future self. Even to call him a cannibal is mistaken. He's the storm the people summoned, against which not all good people find shelter in time." This was poetic and profound to me when I read it.








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If you have time please explain what that line you quoted means-it left me scratching my head-to many words. thanks Anne r





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I took it to mean that if you're the revolutionary, which has been wanted(summoned) by the people, what may look evil to others is not really evil(cannibalism) if it serves the higher purpose of what the people want, i.e. revolution. The revolutionary may need to resort to acts that may be considered "evil" under OTHER circumstances, but are "acts of love" when serving the "cause."

I hope I don't sound like Capt. Jack doing the "what purpose is looking for the key to something we don't have........" dialogue here!





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I hope I don't sound like Capt. Jack doing the "what purpose is looking for the key to something we don't have........" dialogue here!



LOL No, I think I got what you thought you were trying to tell us that you thought it meant.





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thanks herestoyou-makes more sense-still a little wordy for my brain-does this give a hint to the what the title of the book means-that also has me stumped.





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LOL No, I think I got what you thought you were trying to tell us that you thought it meant. 


Touche! biggrin.gif

Looking at my response I think it stood out for me because I looked at it as relating to what's happening in the world today, even if that wasn't Meek's intention. We have extremists that feel they have a "cause" that has been "summoned by their people" to kill themselves and others in that pursuit of that cause. ie. terrorists In their perspective, these are "acts of love" not evil acts. I'm not saying I agree with this, but this is the parallel I got from that passage. It boils down to "the end justifying the means" in these extremist views.

I do believe this is where the title of the book comes from as well. Look at what people do in the name of love throughout this book. Of course, Anna is a big part of this, too.





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Can a person have love for a revolution? Or is the love of the people, and what it seems to need in a given time period?

They don't call them radicals for nothing.

I didn't think of CJS, herestoyou, I thought of Spock, from one of the many Star Trek movies, the one where he dies, I think---"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one." Simply put.





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Interesting point---maybe it's the love for a common goal to make a change. Yes, good ol' Spock hit it right on the head didn't he?





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