Let's open a new thread, the first one is now 51 pages long and we try to limit the page length of all threads to 50 pages, so they don't take as long to load.

About the makeup, I think there are two things to keep in mind. One is that it is undoubtedly historically and ethnically authentic, and that would matter a lot to Johnny, since the whole point of doing this is to revise the stereotype of the American Indian embodied in Tonto. Second, as much as I might want nothing more than to stare at his naked, unadulterated face for two hours (or two years), he's worked against his looks since forever. Disappearing into his Tonto would be his ideal.

That being said, I bet the make-up is not consistent throughout the film, because Native people wore different make-up for different occasions.

Well, that's my two cents.

OK--here's the deal on the make up from Johnny:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/04/22/john...nger-exclusive/

Donna

This post has been edited by herestoyou on Apr 22 2012, 01:04 PM

Thanks for that article Donna. We know Johnny thoroughly researches and throws himself into each of his characters. We know he goes for accuracy and authenticity, what ever the role.

I have a hard time getting past any extreme makeup, on any character, as I can't find the character's soul, all I see is the makeup. Then it's a distraction. I respect his wanting to stay true to what ever character he plays, and I respect the artist within himself, that is an actor. But as an audience participant in his portrayals, if I can't find the character, I can't feel. And there's my frustration. It's been that way for the overly made up characters he played and sadly I don't see his next two as being any different. But that's just me.

And then there's this from the Laguna Pueblo tribe spokesman, I'm linking to it instead of pasting it in, as they ask that nothing be reprinted anywhere.


'Lone Ranger' movie to film at Laguna Pueblo

Tribe responds to first photos of Johnny Depp in costume

http://www.koat.com/news/entertainment/-Lo...976/-/ycg9bh/-/

Thanks for the link Karen---

On my soapbox for a minute
First, no matter who made this film, there would be criticism. Depp has explained his research & it makes sense. Would NAmericans rather be portrayed as they were when the original Lone Ranger aired? Besided, this isn't a documentary---it's fiction, and from what I've read, Depp & crew are trying to be understanding of the issues raised by the various tribes. Saginaw Grant has been very complimentary about what's occurring in the film, so I'll wait until I see the film.

Off soapbox

As for make-up--this has been around since the ancient Greeks that invented drama. Theatrical make up, in various forms ,has been around for years. For me, the costume & make-up help to define the character's essence. Johnny's look in his different roles are incorporated into his speech & actions-- they give me a great insight into the character. Even the roles he's done where he's looked "normal" such as RDiary(which I loved that look)--his look fit with what he wanted to portray with that character. This is what sets Johnny apart from most other actors today. He doesn't have to rely on his good looks to help define his character---would we see any other actor in the different looks Johnny has created? Probably not--he takes the risks & for me, his creativiy helps in my belief of the character.

Donna

This post has been edited by herestoyou on Apr 22 2012, 02:58 PM

Donna and Karen thanks for the articles and the choice of the make-up for Tonto is interesting and I even like some of the art works at the artists' site-like Karen posted some of his make-up choices have turned me off-I could not get over the bushy eyebrows of the Mad Hatter; I am undecided on Tonto probably with all the western sets his make-up will not distract me and I think Arnie H. is the one that everyone will be looking at; and I am glad all the hype about M. Manson is laid to rest. Anne r

Well, I'll chime in...why not.

I'm not bothered by his look in this movie. I wish, for the sake of Native people, that the look was historically correct for one specific nation, but I can see Johnny wanting to be inclusive of the Native culture at large.

Since native people historically did wear different makeup for different reasons, this is one time that his dramatic makeup doesn't bother me.

Thanks Karen, Anne & Becca for your thoughts---it's interesting how movies/characters connect or don't connect with different people. Everyone has their own viewpoint.

I think the bottom line is Johnny does what he feels he needs to do creatively--the public can decide if they will then pay to see his vision for his characters---individual choice!

Donna

I've always said that Johnny will do what he wants, and we will either like it or not. We all won't like all of his films. Some don't like all of the Pirate movies, some don't like the ones with exaggerated makeup, some don't like his trend towards "family" films... and on and on. We're free here to like what we want and dislike what we don't want. I'd rather have us all express our honest opinions respectfully than to be afraid to say something's not to our liking for fear of being attacked. JDR is not a forum that wears "rose colored glasses" when it comes to Johnny.

That's why there's more than vanilla and chocolate when it comes to ice cream. There's something for us all.

As an oversea's movie audience, I rather agree with Karen's viewpoints here. Johnny Depp doesn't have to hide his original looking to highlight his character, in fact. He is brilliant in every of his movies no matter if he wears over-the-top make-up or not. But the make-up for his characters should impressed the general movie audiences, and be understandable. Anyway, I don't think Johnny will keep the same image for the entire movie. He knows he is an international star and actor; he must know what people enjoy.

Karen, agree with you again! But I would say that very few movie audience don't enjoy Pirate movies, in fact. The global audiences love the image of Cap. Jack Sparrow. He does a particularly charming character in movie history.

Johnny is an artist, and he creates what he wants to do. He does not make films to please an audience, artists work to please themselves. If the audience likes it, then that's great. Johnny does what he wants.

While Pirates and Capt Jack are loved worldwide, many, many people do NOT want to see another pirate movie being made. Many did not want to see #4 and even more do not want to see #5. They would rather see a new character. But again, if Johnny wants to do it, another will be made.

Karen, I might misunderstood your viewpoints on this topic. But here is a good place to share different opinions on the issues about JD. I agreed that he is an artist, but I won't deny he is a star. As for Pirate movies, not everyone enjoys them for sure, but still POTC s are very successful commercial movies.