http://filmonic.com/gore-verbinski-talks-a...s-and-pirates-4

Interesting...I still maintain, that we will see a pirates 4. ;)

I hope so but please a script first and less CGI more "acting" but I realize Disney has to appeal to the younger crowd. CGI but develop the characters and complete the story and not have so many holes in the plot. Anne r :captain

That doesn't sound very encouraging.

I know I continually had to explain to a lot of my friends the plot twists and all; I always loved the complexities of the films. I hate when people want to "dumb down" things.

I agree with Gore that there were too many characters and thus too complicated a storyline.

I also agree with about having the completed script first---I can't imagine the stress Gore was under for AWE as it seemed they were writing it as they went along. I do have to say after just watching SP3 and Shrek3, that AWE was heads and above the best of that bunch. I think Disney needs to hold the blame for that one since they pinned him down by having the film released so close to DMC.

-Donna

Although I absolutely love Johnny. I CAN eventually see Jack as an animated (not the one on the merchandise) Saturday morning TV cartoon. I don't watch much TV, but I'd probably watch the 'Adventures of Jack' ! Just imagine, the troubles he'd get into every weekend!

And Johnny could do the voice, and sit back and maybe even watch the cartoon, because you know, it's not HIM on the tube!

You could tell on the special features for AWE how frustrated Gore was about not having a script. He and Ted and Terry put a good spin on things, but it was evident they were winging it more often than not. In a way, it kind of reminded me of a small budget indie film like 'Easy Rider', where the actors, writers and director (who were all one and the same) just made up the story as they went along. Such an open-ended process needs to have some limits, and it's usually budgetary. But with the mega-budget of a project like POTC3, shooting from the hip, as it were, could easily spiral out of control, which I think AWE did to a certain extent. So I'm glad to hear Gore admit they weren't as tight with the storytelling on AWE as they might have been, and that he wouldn't do it that way again.

I'm still surprised that it was green-lit without a finished script. Yet at the same time, I'm not. I wonder how Johnny truly felt about the script (however much there was during AWE's filming), but that's pure speculation. At any rate, part of me is tired of the Pirates saga, yet there's still a part of me that would love to see a fourth because Johnny and Geoffrey play so well off one another. As nurseanne8 stated "Less CGI, more acting." I add: less slap-stick, and more wit. Let's go back to the essence of the first Pirates.

Less slap-stick, more wit. I like the sound of that.
But -

No matter how "bad" a movie is, if Johnny's in it, I buy the ticket. He's got me - lock, stock and two smoking barrels now.

I also think that Johnny's parts by themselves were outstanding in AWE....

-Donna

I completely understand Gore not wanting to go through it that way again and can't even begin to understand the pressure he was under!

And even though, I think it was him who said that all the stoylines would be resolved in AWE, Ted and Terry still left a a door or two open, no? :blink:

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I'd love to see the Captain back again! :captainjack

Agreed :)

Let's keep a perspective here about the writers.

They were as much under the pressure as Gore was. Writing is not an automatic job.

The no clarity at the end about Will being free of the curse after ten years is a big issue in my book and according to the writers they had it there in the script.

So somewhere during production>to editing>to release that got lost.

Sounds to me like Gore had too many people pulling him from all angles.

I guess this could make a point about whether or not writers should be 'on call' during a movie shoot. A case could be made either way - for the writers simply presenting their script to the filmmakers and essentially saying, 'work with it', or for the writers being available (and willing) to go with the flow and come up with, say, tons of new dialogue to fit the whims of the filmmakers during the shoot. I think Gore mentioned how unusual it was to have the writers right there on the set to make changes to the script, but I wonder if that didn't get carried a little too far, allowing T&T to lose their grip, so to speak, on their scriptwriting process, particularly the part that brings said process to an end.
I don't know a thing about scriptwriting so I bow to those who do. :bow

I am looking forward to see Captain Jack again. :thumbsup :captainjack

Not having the curse spelled out in the end didn't bother me.....it's up for interpretation. If you're a romantic then you can hope that "love conquers all" and that Will/Lizzie's love will break the curse. If you like a darker ending then yes, Will/Lizzie will only be together once every ten years as the curse played out with DJones. Whether that was written in the script or not I guess we'll find out when T&T post the script.

I'm not faulting T&Terry entirely, I still think it was Disney's rush to #1-get 2 sequels made, and #2 have the second 2 released so close together. I think a couple of years between each one would have allowed Gore and Co. to fine tune everything, too.

-Donna

Without Johnny's input on the first film we would not have had the brilliant words "Now, bring me that horizon" and I think that was a perfect ending to the movie. Much more better to me than what T&T had proposed.

I think there should always be some allowances for the actor to refuse a line if they think it's out the realm of the character or to be able to add something to enhance the scene or the character. I have great respect for writers, but as we see with really good actors, they sometimes end up knowing the character better than the writers. Capt Jack is a good example and even T & T have said that in essence the words they wrote were spoken by Johnny, but they didn't envision Capt Jack the way Johnny did.

Ditto!!

If they had spaced it better, we might now be looking forward to P3 this coming summer. Just think what it might have been if things hadn't been so rushed. On the other hand, I don't think they could possibly have delayed the filming of P3 and have gotten the same actors involved. That means the script would still have been rushed but the editing and cgi would have had time to be all it could be. As it was, it was pretty darned good. By the way, I guess I'm one of the minority here who hopes we've seen the last of our dear pirates. I love that Johnny and the others had the chance to develop characters which will live forever in movie history and in our hearts. I'd love to see Johnny tackle another kid-friendly film and create another classic figure. With Johnny maturing in looks and breadth of talent, there are so many other parts I selfishly want from him.

FAN I agree that it's time for Johnny to get back to what he does best--surprising us with his take on different characters---look at Sweeney Todd for example. I watched CATCF last night---what other actor can go from that strange guy to STodd? I still think as Johnny/Gore have said, if the script, etc. come together, I could see a P4 down the road. I know some disagree,, but I think Johnny/Geoffrey are seasoned enough actors that if they find something in a new Pirates' script that interests them, I'll be there on day one to see the film.

-Donna

I agree ...I want to see other wonderful characters from Johnny, but I'd love to see Johnny and Geoffrey do a "pirate buddy" film in a couple of years. Lose the others and get down to what those two do best! Hector and Jack, at each other's throats on the high seas!

Yes, I am aware of how valuable an actor's input can be on the finished product, including the script. The point I was trying to make was less about revising an existing script, adding a line here or there, as they did in COTBP. My point was more about what can happen when there isn't much in the way of an existing script to begin with, such as was apparently the case in AWE.

I think it's not up for interpretation.

It's pretty well spelled out that they will have to spend the every 10 years apart with Lizzie getting older. "The Dutchman must have a Captain"

According to the writers they had written it much differently with the dialogue that would have explained that Will only had to be away for 10 years and then he would be back to stay. But with all the action sequences (for example-the duel between Davy and Jack on the Mast) this was buried and forgotten. And being as how I believe that what you see on the screen is what you are getting and it doesn't matter what the writers meant to say-there's no other interpretation. What I saw and heard on that screen is what is written in stone. When I left the theatre, after watching the easter egg, I accepted that Will was doomed-with of course the knowledge that there could be a sequel. But I accepted it. Then I hear about this. To me it's very disturbing that there was such a break down in communication between the parties in power.

And I'm the type of person who believes in happy endings and likes happy endings and will formulate happy endings if the story is left for me to give it a happy ending.

Shoot I've even posted that I wonder if William Blake was actually dead at the end of Dead Man. ;)

Aww I think we all can interpret it in our own way. I think there was too much bad editing and not enough attention to plot continuity. I didn't see it that spelled out. That's where I had issues too. I didn't see it as that clear, can Lizzie's love break the curse?

That's your opinion and that's fine---I'm entitled to mine as well ,and I think it is up to interepretation.......Let's just agree to disagree :)

-Donna

The "wit " comment is a biggie with me, Johnnys wit works so well and it is so much better than slapstick. I would love to see a P4 but ONLY with a done script and all the good parts of P2&3 and the integrity of P1. Definitely less characters and more Johnny. I do think Barbossa should return but not the other two. Also there needs to be a good amount of time between P3 and a P4. I want to see Johnny in some of the other movies he has planned first, top of my list is Shantaram.

This discussion has gone on since May on boards, blogs, journals and sites. lol We all still have differing opinions and that's great, that's as it should be as we all have our own interpretations. I don't think any of us will ever agree. ;)

Some posts, however have come across as personal attacks, and those have been removed. This is all supposed to be about fun and this thread seems to have gone in another direction, so I am closing this thread. It's not about being right or wrong, it's about being able to share differing thoughts and ideas without being attacked.